Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. We can forget this. And then a trauma of the pandemic was that our breathing became a danger to strangers and beloveds. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. Limn: Exactly. like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, brought to its knees, clung to by someone who. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. But time is more spacious than we imagine it to be, and it is more of a friend than we always know. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. 1. And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. Yeah. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? Its a prose poem. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. Join these two friends and interpreters of the human condition for . And so I have The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. [laughs]. Before the koi were all eaten I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. Join our constellation of listening and living. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. Why did I never see it for what it was: thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, In a political and cultural space that rewards certainty, ferments argument, and hastens closure, we nourish and resource the interplay between inner life, outer life, and life together. enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy We havent read much from, , which is a wonderful book. adrienne maree brown "We are in a time of new suns" On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture "What a time to be alive," adrienne maree brown has written. And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. the collar, constriction of living. you can keep it until its needed, until you can And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing. [laughs]. but I was loved each place. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. The podcast's foundation is the same as the groundbreaking radio concept. They bring our nervous system and heartbeat and breath into sync and even into sync with other bodies around us. Limn: Right. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover, I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Yeah, that was true. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. Its still the elements. Tippett: And then Joint Custody from The Hurting Kind. She loves human beings. Limn: Yeah. Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left. I wrote in my notes, just my little note about what this was about, recycling and the meaning of it all. I dont think thats . by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, But its also a land that is really incredibly beautiful and special and sacred in a lot of different ways. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. Yeah. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? Limn: Yes. And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. As . We just ask questions. A friend, lover, come back to the five-and-dime. Tippett: Look at all these people. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. It comes back to these questions of like, Why do I get to be lucky in this way? Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Limn: Kind of true. But let me say, I was taken Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. by being seen. Yeah, I had a moment where I hadnt realized how delighted I was to go about my world without my body. And so I gave up on it. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us, breath to breath and hour to hour, as much in who we are and how we are present as in whatever we do. What a time to be alive, adrienne maree brown has written. And Im sure it does for many of you, where you start to think about a phrase or a word comes to you and youre like, Is that a word? Youre like, With. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. It just offers more questions. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops One Art, and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. And we all have this, our childhood stories. She founded and leads the On Being Project ( www.onbeing.org )a groundbreaking media and public life . I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. and I never knew survival Peabody Award-winning host Krista Tippett presents a live, in-person recording of the wildly popular On Being podcast, featuring guest speaker Isabel Wilkerson. A dream. What. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. All right. And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with?. Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. and the world. It wasnt used as a tool. I was actually born at home. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left And isnt it strange that breathing is something that we have to get better at? I just saw her. Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. Once it has been witnessed, and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary, now even when it is ordinary. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. And for us, it was Sundays. And just as there are callings for a life, there are callings for our time. They bring us together with others, again and again. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. There is also an ordinary and abundant unfolding of dignity and care and generosity, of social creativity and evolution and breakthrough. [laughs] And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. Oh, Im stressed. Oh, if you want to know about stress, let me tell you, Im stressed., I like to tell my friends when they say theyre really stressed, Ill be like, Oh, I took the most wonderful nap. [audience laughs] But instead to really have this moment of, Oh, no, its our work together to see one another. Limn: And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. We nurture virtues that build muscle memory towards sustained new realities including generous listening, embodied presence, and transformative relationship across backgrounds and lived experience. I love it that youre already thinking that. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. And I knew that at 15. Definitely. The science of awe. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. This definitely speaks to that. Ive got a bone. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. What is the thesis word or the wind? by being not a witness, Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Musings and tools to take into your week. On Being with Krista Tippett December 6, 2016. After almost 20 years on public radio at the helm of her award-winning show On Being, Krista Tippett is transitioning the weekly program to a seasonal podcast.. Tippett said that the On Being Project, her nonprofit organization that produces the show, began seeing itself a few years ago "as a media and public life organization and to figure out what it means to be that. Tippett: I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. , its woven through everything. What would happen if we used our bodies to bargain. [2] Her guests include the 14th Dalai Lama, Maya Angelou, Mohammed Fairouz, Desmond Tutu, Thich Nhat Hanh, Rosanne Cash, Wangari Maathai, Yo-Yo Ma, Paulo Coehlo . Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. This is like a self-care poem. Precisely at a moment like this, of vast aching open questions and very few answers we can agree on, our questions themselves become powerful tools for living and growing. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? body. I am asking you to touch me. Limn: And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. And shes animated by questions emerging from those loves and from the science she does which we scarcely know how to take seriously amidst so much demoralizing bad ecological news. has lost everything, when its not a weapon, And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with? [laughter] Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. , and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. Exactly. We are located on Dakota land. We can forget this. Can you locate that? into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. If you think about it, its not a good, song. Limn: I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. Limn: Yeah. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. But he is driven by passionate callings older and deeper than his public vocation as an actor and comedian. So we have to do this another time. Limn: And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is? [laughter] Im like, Yes. What is the thesis word or the wind? Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. Before the apple tree. It is still the river. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. She is a former host of the poetry podcast The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. Tippett: And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. And I knew that at 15. Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Few books have been more eagerly passed from hand to hand with delight in these last years than Robin Wall Kimmerers Braiding Sweetgrass. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. And were you writing. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. Before the road So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. 10 distinct works Similar authors. Its that Buddhist, the finger pointing at the moon, right? We value the ancient power of storytelling, and we get that good stories require conflict, characters and scene. Shes teaching me a lesson. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. This is not a problem. We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you.. Before the dogs chain. Anthem. Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. just the bottlebrush alive Im learning so many different ways to be quiet. Cracking time open, seeing its true manifold nature, expands a sense of the possible in the here and the now. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. Yeah. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, Its repeating words. What was it? of thee, enough of bosom and bud, skin and god In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, SHARE. Tippett: Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. Singing is able to touch and join human beings in ways few other arts can. Learn more at. Page 87. that thered be nothing left in you, like, until every part of it is run through with, days a little hazy with fever and waiting, for the water to stop shivering out of the. a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Tippett: Yeah, because its made with words, but its also sensory and its bodily. Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. And its page six of The Hurting Kind. Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. Limn: I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. We prioritize busyness. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. Every Thursday a new discovery about the immensity of our lives and frequent special features like poetry, music and Q + A with Krista. with a new hosta under the main feeder. Yeah. We understand questions as technologies and virtues as social arts. Yeah. Also because so much of whats been and again, its not just in the past, what has happened, has been happening below the level of consciousness in our bodies. inward and the looking up, enough of the gun, the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost, letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and, the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough, of the mother and the child and the father and the child, and enough of the pointing to the world, weary. Its repeating words. enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. You may also catch references to things seen and witnessed throughout the event including a stunning opening poem by our dear friend Maria Popova, composed of On Being show titles which you can take in fully by viewing the recorded celebration in its entirety on our YouTube channel. I think its very dangerous not to have hope. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. I could be both an I I just saw her. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover. Theres how I stand in the lawn, thats one way. The thesis has never been exile. Interesting. I write. Perhaps, has an unsung third stanza, something brutal, snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing, the high notes with a beer sloshing in the stands, hoping our team wins. Limn: Yeah. I mean, thats how we read. and gloss. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., The thesis. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. Tippett: So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you. [audience laughs] I have a lot of poems that basically are that. Tippett: A lot of them are in the On Being studio, they come in the mail. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Before the new marriage. The original idea, when we say like our, thesis statement, or even when we say like. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain Shes written, Science polishes the gift of seeing, Indigenous traditions work with gifts of listening and language. An expert in moss a bryologist she describes mosses as the coral reefs of the forest. Robin Wall Kimmerer opens a sense of wonder and humility for the intelligence in all kinds of life we are used to naming and imagining as inanimate. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. Tippett: Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. Henno Road, creek just below, the date at the top of a letter; though I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. Tippett: Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. Because how do we care for one another? Two entirely different brains. 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