In college I was in a very tight friend group with my roommate + two other students who lived two doors down from us in the same building. And if Im definitely not in the mood to hang out, its painfully awkward for everyone involved if I have to ask you to go away. It was really bad in the dorms in college, but w/ the phone/texts, some of my people still get a little shirty about it when I just turn my phone off so I can have some peace and quiet and eliminate temptation to putz around on apps for no reason. Shes also introverted with a limited social energy budget. Mind you, mine is always early so Ive never had a chance to try this but it could work. But I could be wrong! Its very common for people to recall the past in a way that reflects an idealized world, or at least one that mirrors a happy period in their young life. If he was on his way somewhere else then I could expect it to be short, but it could also turn into a give a mouse a cookie situation pretty quickly. I want you to keep that AC running. Another thing to keep in mind is to be explicit about when you plan to come and leave so that he does not feel overwhelmed. If you are going to be in the neighborhood, and would like to meet up with someone who lives there, I might suggest a call or a text like Im going to be in your part of town, on Wednesday. AUGH the theres always a but makes me so RAGEY. Its 9:30am on a Saturday. You don't want to seem desperate, more like you think it sounds interesting and may drop by, but if you can't come it's no big deal, and it wouldn't mortally offend you or anything. Or maybe I just had other plans for the next hour and now Im going to be behind on the day. Oh god yes. It didnt affect our friendship negatively at all, just clarified a boundary. Yeah, thats what bugs me: I understand Things Happen, but to just turn up hours late without an explanation and then expect that the host will want to stick around and talk? but how was I supposed to know that anyone and everyone was welcome? Its safer in any situation to assume a no unless you give me an explicit yes. 1600, masturbate to porn; 1630, cleanup; 1700, SO arrives. So if any of the people they had carefully arranged in their schedule/chessboard had the temerity to break pattern and show up early or try to clean under the bed or anything that threatened to bring the two sides of their lives together theyd explode with rageand since they couldnt talk about the actual cause of their anger, they often used bullshit nonsensical excuses, like, When you sweep for dustbunnies under the bed it implies you think Im a disgusting person. (Instead of: that is where I keep evidence about my affairs. Simply make one of the many delicious recipes you can find here. I have to disagree strenuously as well. I think your ex had issues. If I know the people in question well enough I will sometimes just be explicit. But I did start noodling around on Twitter more recently, and all of a sudden I started getting more invites from my friends who use Twitter as much as I do. In the case at hand, LW, your friend has made it clear that just dropping by because youre in the neighborhood is Not To Be Done, so dont. Sometimes she was angry, and Id apologize. Big +1 on the relevance of the increasing distance here. ANYONES GUESS! Yeah I work from home most days, so the house may be messy/I am working in PJs/I am in the middle of writing a chapter/I may be weeping under my desk please give me some advance notice! But its also a huge life event (or can be, anyway) so expecting you to never mention it to non-invitees is kind of ridiculous. She almost immediately told me something along the lines of, "Great, when should we meet up at your house to play?" Not thinking. I can see how someone would find that rude. Here's when we do it. The whole work-home thing is pretty cultural though. Recently Ive taken to IMing my friends if Im in their area and have a little time. Like, maybe we will both be in the same house on Christmas Day. My phone was broken so I couldnt text, and I guess the sign of the times is that I didnt even think to use the landline! She has been known to call AND SHOW UP IN PERSON WITHOUT AN APPOINTMENT at my workplace, even. Ask him if he has any dessert requests, but don't ask him to buy half the ingredients for the dinner. Ask him what his plans are for a specific night. Eh. I was overwhelmed because I felt I had to pack + entertain her. You can also see how they react to other people, and if they have a constant stream of drop ins when youre over, or are OK with saying no when asked or setting limits on drop ins without squirming with discomfort. I dont think it was all or nothing when I was a kid. The main reason I was even playing Destiny was to try to reconnect with someone. And the worst of it is, just about everyone in the group aside from Clueless Cousin is aware of the problem, and has had their special events bogarted by her. I mean, math can still be hard, but its sooo much easier than solving math problems WITHOUT doing math, haha. From the angle Im looking, her best friend is trying to decrease the closeness or frequency of interactions in this relationship, and the LW hasnt quite gotten that message yet. I have wet hair from my recent shower, and there are piles of laundry all over the living room. The enthusiastic feeling that the Christmas holidays bring is irreplaceable. We slept at one anothers houses. (For values of we meaning the people of my generation that I know. Yeah, definitely my building has a lock on the front gate that can only be opened with a key, no buzzer/code to punch in/etc., so my friends have to text me in order to get to my doorbell anyway; I would rather they just text me and have me run out to the car to save them the trouble of parking! In my case, when I finally was the one to make the clean break after being led on, she cried and wanted forgiveness and blamed me for not forgiving her. An ex-partner of mine used to plan their scheduling (work, social and romantic) very tightly. My brother and sister-in-law wound up super-stressed because not only did her mother and father invite themselves over, but they brought her brother, his wife and their twin toddlers. Please take your high horse out back and shoot it. I didnt know I was invited! And if Im hiring a band and a caterer. But I guess this goes hand in hand with another (also common in my social circles) practice, that of regularly making tentative plans that are never executed. A no is a no. Visitors were expressly invited for a set time and there was a full house spring clean the day before. Of course we told them no. Whenever I want to hang out with ANYONE I know I always drop a text beforehand and make sure my wording sends the message that its totally optional on their part to agree to hang or not. I like to be able to decline social invitations. But something like a board game night or a party where everybody but one person was invited, yeah Id avoid that because it seems mean. This "friend" is no longer invited to my home. But Im not ok w/ other people seeing that (especially when its messy instead of just cluttered). Oh also, the good old days when people could just drop by anytime had rules too, they were just different rules. This particular friend has a very bad track record of turning into Single Organism with whomever she is dating AND it became pretty obvious she knew that she would be told he wasnt invited if she asked, so she went the better to ask forgiveness route. On the topic of wanting to clean before people show up, I REALLY HATE when people respond to your desire to clean up with oh I dont mind the mess! Look, well intentioned person*, its not about you! I'm telling you from experience: Nothing is going to kill the vibe quicker than a dirty, dank, disgusting apartment. Do you want to catch up? Yes. i think it does reflect your relationship, and that is not a bad thing! My crapsack old car keeps eating up my GTFO Fund savings, which fills me with despair, as they grow so slowly on my tiny salary and I am drowning in debt to THREE colleges, now. Maybe if you were really good friends with someone and didn't do it too much it would be fine, but otherwise try to avoid it. I would only drop by a friends house unannounced or just-announced in extreme circumstances. Theres nothing wrong with communicating your wishes for your friends to drop by. Homemade meals, as old-fashioned as they may appear, can be hearty, flavorful, warm, and simple to make. Word. I need you to help me fix it! Granted, part of the reason is because Im probably not wearing pants, either, but I hate unexpected visit awkwardness. You may even be fine with being seen as a fifth wheel, if it means you get to go somewhere you really wanted to attend. Oops, LW I just realised I misread that, and you are friends rather than workmates. On that day, between these hours, please feel free to drop by and take tea. A friend of mine once gave me the run down of her husbands birthday party, to which she had invited everyone in our friend group except me. Advance notice gives us time to put on Social Face (brush hair, brush teeth, put on clothes that dont do double duty on a scarecrow or Halloween decoration, plus whatever tidying up around the house/shame cleaning we feel compelled to do) and to sort out our work/chore schedule around the visit. Thats almost chilling. Car might be down the street a bit, persons doorbell/buzzer might be confusing, person might not want to get out of car and feel texting is easier, person inside might be ready to go but using their last few minutes to do something else like dishes instead of sitting outside in the cold waiting, etc, I also generally text people a heads up when Im coming over for a planned visit. Your script(s) are: That sounds nice/Are you looking forward to it/Where is it/I hope there are no diaper cakes., Person#2: Ive got to clean the house, were having people over on Sunday., Red light means stop. This may help put to rest frustrations I sometimes feel about issues where my preference runs counter to that of most people. As always, excellent advice Captain! Anyway, those are the general rules I would follow, but I think here as some others have noted its really important that your friend has been pulling away from her generally for the past year. Thats just me though and I appreciate its different for everyone. If he accepts, but suggests hanging out at your place, have an excuse in mind for why you have to hang out at his place. If you havent either asked me to pass your invitation OR invited him directly, you havent invited him. In this case, it is best to create a situation he cant say no in. Unfortunately, it has also become increasingly common for burglars (disguised as solicitors) to case a home by ringing the bell to see if a residence is unoccupied. (7 Key Reasons). By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Books take some time to finish, so if he invests that time in an interest that you have, that may mean he likes you. 5. My space is not your space friend, it is mine and I want to keep it that way! Then, and this is the important part, drop way WAY back in your efforts to get together with her. Since there is zero version of that conversation that is not hella fraught, Ive opted not to have it, and instead stick to declining her requests to babysit and make plans for us that dont include the kids (or if they do include the kids, I make sure that were not at home its more of a problem when shes in my kids space than when theyre all at, say, the beach). In this particular situation, I dont think you did something WRONG/horribly rude, but your friend is now giving you the cue of please dont do this. So, you just gotta respect that for her, at least for right now, invites to her place are a no go. (Nearby happens alot, because the supermarket is right across the street.). Unfortunately, during the same era, houseguests could stay for months and you couldnt ask them to leave. Kind of like enthusiastic consent enthusiastic social engagement invitations are not the same as passive or silent asset to host/ failure to resist a self-invitation. Keep it minimal and casual. This is even with close friends/my best friends! I wish the african violet idea had been around back then. But NONE of my other friends do this, at least not after the first time. 4. Also, I love the distinction of Ask v. Guess (and boy does that explain some things about my boss). Thats me, too: Im self employed and work from home, and unfortunately some people seem to think this means I am available to chat any time of day they happen to feel like it/ be nearby. It hasnt worked as well for me though. So maybe but I guess will never know. For sure! Whether youre in your 20s or 50s, you still dont want to come on too desperate or too strong at the same time. Also, hard as it may be to swallow, sometimes the person we think of as our best friend doesnt consider us to be *their* best friend. I think this particularfriend of yours might be somewhat like me in these preferences relative to you and how they see your friendship. Don't assume people share all your interests, and simply invite them to do something you think is fun. Its at 7.30 on Thurs if youre still interested?* But no actual arrangement has been made just because both people have expressed interest in the concept of going. I am not at your beck and call. Ask him directly why he doesn't want you to see his place. Whereas I would be absolutely fine with a call or a text from the driveway but ringing my bell without warning runs the risk of sending me into an anxiety spin. I think things are different if there wouldnt be any expectation of an invitemy co-workers weekend plans, for instance, are common Friday conversationsbut in those situations people dont have feelings to manage. In university I lived in dorms, and living on campus was sort of an implicit youre always free. When I asked him about the surprise invites, his reply was, I thought it was efficient to get all my social obligations taken care of at once. Person #4: Its Free Comic Book Day Saturday, so Im gonna go find a store and pick up some stuff to read. Going to a street fair devoted to tacos., Green light means go. Becoming more adept at these important social skills is not impossible, but it takes motivation and hard work. I am finally on track to maybe getting hired on full-time at a law firm at a low (but better than nothing) salary. It works well in less formal situations, whether you know someone well or not, you can use these questions to make an invitation: Are you free to? However, in todays society, things have shifted and women are taking initiative too. I am personally saving the galaxy from assimilation because I will never solve it. Once, it wouldnt be a big deal, but if it happened often with a particular friend, Id have to say Canyou call first or I prefer advance planning. I mean, if my friend really has to use the bathroom, or their car needs a jump or their bike has a flat and their phone is out of battery, without question Id want them to come to me rather than poop their pants or flounder for assistance, but I am *personally* not one for the serendipitous fun hangout at my house. And I put it on my calendar, right? My house is not actually that much messier than some of my friends who dont mind saying shove over the laundry basket and nudge the books out of your way, welcome to my home. What counts as nothing pressing? Maybe they want to go home and do a Netflix marathon or something. I can see the conflict between desires, but it seems like it might be easier or at least less violating for people who want unexpected visitors to encourage them to drop by whenever than for people who dislike it to tell people to go away. This is the craziest way I see guys blow their opportunities. Imagine a group of coworkersor classmates or casual acquaintances you know from your board games group or whatever are discussing their weekend plans. Much communication later, of course, things were happier. Where I grew up there was an open door culture. Its like that one time Johnny England went a wandering without saying when that one time was. but where will the implications sit if youve moved all of the furniture? Also see Im planning to be in your neighbourhood geocaching, are you home for us to stop and say hello / join us for one of the caches nearby?. Yes! Please. Saying Hey, Ill be dropping by in about ten minutes! is not asking, that is demanding. ), This doesnt mean it cant be okay in specific workplaces, or with specific people! Anyway, its experience that suggests to me that his anger, the lack of proportion in its expression, and the total non sequitur of you not respecting his work (Ive shown up early at peoples work, they tell me to grab a magazine and wait) when hes not working, is 100% not about you. Especially if you guys have only been friends 2-3months. BUT.is it because you assume that is the case when you happen to know someone was in the area and yet didnt drop round? Word. But my shame level is much much higher and so I never have people over without a sometimes-tearful marathon clean that leaves me too exhausted to enjoy it. Then you can say, What are you doing later/tonight/this weekend? and theyll say, Hannibal marathon with X and Y, want to come? or even, I was thinking about heading down to the new brunch place, and you can try something like, Ive been meaning to check that place out! which is not QUITE inviting yourself along but can land you an invitation. Or as they are also known, mess-makers. Do they really need to get out of the car in these conditions because of your preferences? he had a lot of realities to manage. It makes me feel appreciated when friends go out of their way to just kind of show up at my house. That is what constitutes the perfect level of family closeness in her mind, so that is how it has to be: Family is always happy to see you any time of day or night (no matter how much of a nightmare you are). But I normally make plans when Im with bunch of people, particularly when Im at school? I have a people-energy budget made out for the week, and when people show up without asking, it annoys me at best-and also can be exhausting, depending on how high cost my week has been-and just the disruption to my budget without warning makes me annoyed. Dont demand. Im not going to go out early to unlock the gate so they can come to my door especially when its -40C and icy outside, which it can be for months at a time here! Youre not even someone my other half considers a friend, just someone who knows him. Your apartment is definitely not an option coz lets assume you have a roommate who probably doesnt feel great about it. Why? But then I worry she will think Im pre-emptively avoiding her. But I wouldnt get nearly as irritated at them as I would at the door-to-door Vitamix salesman whos supposed to go away when he sees my sign. So far it seems to work. But with this one friend, all you really need to know is what SHE prefers. 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