If I remember correctly, being off antidepressant medication for 6 months or longer makes the problem that required the medication no longer an issue. And, apparently, if and applicant for a first medical certificate with student certificate has had epilepsy, he/she can be deferred even if seizure-free for more than 10 years. The standards are too strict and the FAA bases thier decisions (especially on medication) on generalizaitons instead of listening to the pilots and doctors. However you have never been treated or taken medication so probably if you disclose it the FAA would require some sort of doctors evaluation which says you are OK and that will be the end of it. You said they can search, where do they find that information? If I have the big one in the seat here is what will happen: 1. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. If this is a recurrent problem, getting a class 3 medical can be difficult. Remove the AME from the loop, and there is no one but the pilot to judge whether the above situation is safe. NONE . Often it is not a case of pilots intentionally lying or withholding information that can get them into trouble, but ignorance of what they need to report. While I dont think most will lie on their medicals, I feel that some will if they have an issue and are in fear of losing their certificate(s). The only truthful answer is yes, most every night. They were like so we dont think you ever had it Passed tests with flying colors. If you don't disclose it the likelihood that they find out about it are pretty slim, though. In-case if you ever get into an accident the FAA/NTSB will look through all your medical history and do a thorough check on that pilot meaning they want to look at every doctor visit and all medications you have been on. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. The list of silliness just goes on and on. There is no such thing as a good faith mistake. The AME can comment on the problem stating that it no longer exists and you are not on medication in the comments section on the 8500-8 and submit it along with the note from your counsellor to the FAA and go ahead and issue your Medical Certificate. For example, what if one is tired or snores. One DUI is not disqualifying. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. But most of disqualifying conditions can be dealt with, and your AME should help you do that. Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. While not endorsing that, it is understandable at the emotional level. This is very true if you were to tell them everything that has happened to you in the past medical histories etc. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. Needless to say, I have never taken a $100 Hamburger flight. However, my pilots do. Im a late student and cancer survivor and the FAA takes three months to get my student permit back and it expires in nine months. I hesitated to contact the FAA as I didnt want to deprive this man of his dream to be a pilot but the risk of harm to himself and to others was greater than His Dream so I sent a detailed letter. 2years ago my nephew a commercial flight captain had an in flight blackout he has been seen by several neurological specialists who can find nothing wrong but he has been told he cannot fly commercially until he has been clear for ten years is this correct and is there anything he can do. According to Dr. Guillermo J. Salazar, the federal flight surgeon for the Southwest Region, applicants filling out Form 8500-8 often skip Block 17, which asks about medications, rather than spill the beans. This exemption is exactly what I need to keep flying, and I am sure there are many others like me. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. Fill up the plane and navigate for them. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. If its temporary, shaddup about it. Has anyone seen that data? With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. My question is what are they doing in order to get caught. First, if youve not taken a disqualifying medication for greater than 90 days, you can potentially argue to the FAA that your underlying diagnosis was not accurate to begin with. Reply. I can now only fly Sport due to a medical condition that will cause me to fail the third class medical exam if I take it. If you didnt say yes then you lied. My ex hubby did it yearly. Does A Surgical Mask Help Avoid COVID-19? After 7 years and three more third class medicals-the FAA medical office suddenly decided I had 30 days to provide all the records from a condition I had 20 years ago, or have my medical suspended. I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. I agree that the FAA has an interest in regulating commercial pilots but anyone else should have to produce a drivers license. I reported controlled hypertension on my questionnaire. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. What to do? They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. Should I mention this to my AME? Dental visits and visits to your AME need not be listed. Now do you AMEs see how ridiculousness the form is? Whether or not your AME issues your medical certificate, the FAAs Aeromedical Certification Division (AMCD) will review your application. I hid it from the FAA for 12 years They found out I didnt disclose it and revoked ALL my certificates ATP multi-single engine land, Commercial rotorcraft and glider as well as all my flight instructor certificates. If the FAA is lieing why should we worry about non-commercial pilots? And the FAAs restrictions regarding SSRIs effectively make it impossible for use by commercial pilots. They generally do not spend a significant amount of time reviewing each one. Few people have memory of everything diagnosed as a child, how many appoinments one has been to in the last 3 years, or even knowledge of what the doctor has put in your medical record. Additionally, the one who was honest is punished. 11-06-2013, 09:45 AM #7 ackattacker. So Rex you never spun around and got dizzy as a child? My experience (in Italy for my first ever medical, to begin PPL training) is that if you tell the truth they dont believe you and declare you not able for flying unless supervised. most reputable and up-to-date sources, which are also cited in the text. I am an AME and 4,000 hour pilot. The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. They want to approve, not deny medicals. I would respect them more if they screened for problems and helped people cure them, rather than go over the hill with a knee jerk reaction. I showed him on the form. Others have their dreams dashed who lived years longer flying ultralights. However many of the folks you are asking are not quite so anonymous. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. They are soulless people that treat you as a thing, not a human person. On the other hand, the FAA medical system is complex, expensive, and difficult to support with data showing lives saved, etc. The FAA can get your records from Social Security if you are on Medicare. My AME is my regular Doctor. Local Oklahoma City Area: (405) 954-3261. The entire aeromedical FAA staff can go kill themselves for all I care. Takes the wind out of your sails. I just wonder why? Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. Those are hard to fake. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? you disclose something that warrants further information or investigation, or something happens to you like an accident, incident, or disciplinary action which the FAA will then thoroughly investigate. They may only get 3rd class, but they are flying with strict guidelines on preflight accu check, inflight accu check, etc. He landed safely, but it was his last flight. Find one that will help you get through the maze, not simply hand your problem off to the FAA. So the Medical certification system is statistically, virtually, perfector..redundant AS LONG AS you are in a multi-crew aircraft. If you were diagnosed with ADHD when you were in school but havent taken medication or experienced symptoms in 15 years, you still are required to answer yes to question 18m. I can understand, in the last 5 years, but most of my things are now 20 years old and I still have to report them-no change. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. He did not disclose any of his medical issues to the AME, and passed his medical in 2011. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. In our opinion, and even for a moment disregarding the morality of lying and putting yourself, your passengers, and anyone elses safety at risk, it simply isnt worth lying despite the low chances of getting caught. Why would you need to report that? It has little to do with Health. To stay current, I have been renting/flying 152s and 172s with an instructor, but that is very expensive too (the inclusion of the instructor, that is). And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. Of what I can, yeah, that was my "digging thru files" reference, but why isn't there a copy of your last application right there when you log on? I had kidney stone surgery 12 years ago and over the last two years I passed two stones at home. Having spent over 10k learning to fly I was advised at my medical I had LBBB. Try walking in my shoes and you will not agree with that statement. I stopped learning to fly as I did not have the additional funds to have the CAA medical. The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. What most folks dont realize is that less than 1% of medical applications are denied whether it be for diabetes or criminal record. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. Email me at [emailprotected]. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! So, the medical certification process has greatly reduced my joy. Thank you for the post. Where is this regulation? However, if you are involved in an accident, incident, or disciplinary action, you can bet that the FAA and the necessary authorities will take the time to investigate, and things you didnt disclose will come out. If you have a FAA medical denial for ADHD, call your aviation attorney at The Ison Law Firm for a consultation. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. (And not be able to go to the interview next month with the cert in hand). Please type or print legibly and remember to sign and date the request. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. So, easing up on the medical requirements would be based on real world situations. . Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? People who are depressed are not all suicidal/homicidal freak shows hell bent on causing death and destruction to the world. What a great time you both will have. Yes, they do. As a result, I had to take an EKG. It is possible that the Emirates authorities will check to see if he can make an attempt at a complete sentence with capitalization and punctuation. Oh sure they lie. However, when it comes to flying without another capable pilot on board.only friends and family..that is another matter. Everyone should say they have been dizzy. If successful with testing, you can then make further arguments that you do not have an aeromedically significant medical condition. Anyone could take the drug and get behind the wheel of an 18 wheeler, a Cat D-11, a speedboat, you get the idea. The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). I think that FAA should be concerned about this difficulty in people. When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. Most of us fly for recreation and a burning fire within to fly, and the Sport program can be just the ticket. I can see a medical for commercial operators, just like Bus drivers, but that is all. The system is imperfect in many ways and should be fixed, I do not disagree with that. Google "Operation Safe Pilot." In a blatant violation of the privacy act of 1974 as amended, the FAA, DOT Inspector General, and SSA Inspector General, conducted an illegal database match looking for common personally identifying information (names and/or social security numbers) in the FAA medical certificate database and the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases of 45,000 Northern . For Uncle Sam, though, this is anything but a judgment call. MEDICAL CATEGORY 3: This category applies to the issue or revalidation of Student Pilot Permit, Helicopters, Gyroplane, Balloon, Pilot Permit, Gyroplane, Private Pilot Licence Aeroplane, Helicopter Pilot Licence, Flight Instructor Rating, Glider, Ultra-light Aeroplanes. So why disclose it here on an open forum? The responsibility for a safe flight in my aircraft is mine not the AMES, and most certainly not the FAAs. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Thats a great question, Ben. If you have a new medical diagnosis, just received a letter from the FAA or have any concerns about your FAA medical certificate, let us help. You have to be careful what you ask for. This article does not in any way counsel the reader as to how to appropriately respond to questions on the FAA medical application, nor does it give medical advice regarding the accuracy of the readers medical history. FAA needs to justify their man hours.with scapegoats. I believe you are mis-informed; as long as I hold a once valid third class medical and a valid drivers license, and have not had a third class medical that disqualified me since that qualifying medical exam, Im eligible to fy Sport!I refer you to the following links: http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/response2/, http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/medical_certification/sportpilots/, This is a common misunderstanding. instead of just listening to the engine, watch the instruments that monitored the engine. 45,000 Northern California pilots with current medical certificates Wow - are there really 45,000 pilots with current medicals in just Northern California? Lets analyze how you got to a denial and what can be done to appeal the denial. In fact he asked me where did I see that I could make that attachment. Lesson learned here is that not all Air Physicians are the same when it comes to evaluating pilots. BUT I HAVE 40+ YEARS AND 5100 HRS OF PIC IN MY OWN AIR CRAFT WITH OUT INCIDENT OR ACCIDENT. But the feds harass pilots, not drivers, because they can get away with it with pilots but not with drivers. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. So, easing up on the medical requirements would be based on real world situations. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. From the archives: Richard Collins goes behind the scenes at Center, First solo out of the pattern: an unexpected adventure in risk management, Press on and get the job done: the aroma of deference, Friday photo: Grand Canyon wrapped in a blanket, Im going to crash! -helping a pilot in distress. I just left the Marine Corps and want nothing more than to begin my flight training, but I still cant help but wonder about the outcome, especially after all I have read on this thread. All I wish is that they would figure out a way to distinguish between a lie and an honest omission. On the other hand, when I started flying and had to take a 3rd class medical, the AMI was a personal friend and knew of my hearing problems, therefore suggested we do the hearing test with an audiometer in the evening when there was less noise and confusion in the office. Ive been fighting to get my 3rd class for 10 years and now I think Im close to getting a special issuance. If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. Not only is the medical certificate process flawed, so is the new AOPA iniative. I have to weigh in on this issue. The FAA medical certification process has at times made me feel that I was in actual hell. I could not stop thinking about being in the air. Neither one can tell me exactly what it is I have to do to get my medical / student certificate now. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. FAA Current Detailed Clinical Progress Notes. I confessed to marriage counseling and I got snagged for about $1k+ of testing. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you. My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. But, sooner or later, most pilots will develop a medical condition that they cannot hide. It is probably one of the most important benefits they offer their members. If anyone cares to share their thoughts or any advice I would appreciate hearing from you. So why open a can of worms by telling the aviation medical examiner? Yet, until recently, the FAA wouldnt allow any pilot to be treated with an SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) a medication with an excellent safety record concerning accidents. 614-497-4088 I was diagnosed with PTSD from my service in the infantry Vietnam in 1968/1969 and have received counseling for it. Federal employees should qualify for at least a class three medical for airmen and let us toss in the medication list and drug testing for commercial drivers. The Dr. the agency recommended was an AMI. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. Took the FAA medical (stand on this leg, stand on that leg can you see anything out of this eye, can you see anything out of that eye). To self certify? While the bills in Congress to eliminate the Class 3 Medical Certificate are progressing slowly, the FAA is taking steps to minimize the bureaucratic red tape involved with certain illnesses, such as prostate cancer. See Also: Do Flight Schools Drug Test Students? You can be fined up to $250,000 and jailed for five years for lying to the federal government. If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? Like many organizations, the FAA puts its own authority, power and existence ahead of those, whom it is supposed to serve. The Great Debate: do pilots lie on medicals? Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. How about providing you SSAN when the FAA does not need it? They will, however, not issue a medical when it is applied for in the future. There are two schools of thought on this issue: 'If you wanna fly, you gotta lie' versus 'honesty is always the best policy.' Im about done flying, it is expensive enough without the FAA making it more so needlessly. Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. What are the chances you will get caught? A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. Something like 75% of all medicals that arrive in OKC come from outside the USA. That would translate into 45-50 deaths a year. I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. Is the time and expense involved worth it? The rules here have not changed, but the enforcement will now result in a 30 day ban from APC for violations. This is to screen for diabetes and kidney disease. Re test. I fly a Cirrus, my wife knows how to pull the parachute. Therefore, I lied. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. This is one of those typical government deny-theres-a-problem attitudes that eventually comes to a head when something major and catastrophic happens. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. As you say does nothing to hinder my ability to fly a plane in anyway, but the FAA says is not allowed, SO. Some other government agency gets told another. Good Luck. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. Would I report this or any depression on the 8500-8? I am probably am the only one who will answer that I like to go for the medical because if forces me to go to the doctor. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. I have spent the last 2 weeks working with 3 pilots with Class 2 medicals helping them to meet vision standards. Governmental overkill? How about medical visits in past 3 years? They even asked me are you sure you never had epilepsy attacks?. Such a persons private physician(s) might not think so, but those physician(s) have no say in the matter. Even without a lie, I've seen situations in which the need to disclose something might have been questionable and the pilot answered "yes" one year, but "no" in a later year. That question cant be removed from the form easily, so you have the option of clicking the box labelled International or declining to provide and leaving the field blank. But, to the uninformed, it has an appearance of diligence. Dont worry about getting caught unless you lie about you criminal history you will be fine. In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Medical certificates are designated as first-class, second-class, or third-class. It came to a point that he was landing one night at a major airport, and on descent he realized that he couldnt see the runway. Its long and complex, but an occasional look at it, especially regarding your own health issues, is worth it. It doesnt work like that in mental health cases, and probably never will. A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.) Federal Aviation Regulations require that a pilots distant vision be 20 /20 or better, with or without correction, in EACH eye separately to hold a first or second class medical certificate. Please remember, he has a liability also. 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